This interview took place over June 12-13, 2013 and is divided into two parts. Field of study: Human Ethology: Born in Grand Rapids, Michigan; moved to Cincinnati, Ohio; then to Dallas, Texas; left home at age fifteen, studied at Universities of Colorado, Kansas, Michigan, New School (NYC); worked at Quaker summer camps in Vermont; moved to Esopus, NY to work as a counselor at Wiltwyck School for Boys; worked at Floyd Patterson House in New York City; worked at Time Magazine as a copy boy and then as reporter for Time-Life News Svc; completed PhD at Union Institute with practicum at Albert Einstein College of Medicine; worked as psychologist at Hudson River Psychiatric Center in Poughkeepsie and NY State Psychiatric Institute at Columbia P&S; worked as Vassar's Associate Director of Student Counseling Service, retired, then was invited to return to create a student-faculty LGBTQ Center for the Study of Social Change in the old Blegen House on Collegeview Ave. Associate Director of Campus Life. Retired permanently 2006.\n\nKeywords: LGBTQ, oral history, Blegen House, segregation, family therapy, family, social work, race, queer,\nidentity politics, LGBT youth, education, Stonewall, Marsha P. Johnson, violence, bullying, journalism, war, belonging, counseling, community, organizing, ALANA Center, writing, Judith Nichols, athletics.